Kritter wrote:
None of the above reasons are compelling reasons as to why disabling the filter would benefit the board. At all. Literally the same reasons I listed above:
- Kids are exposed to swearing all the time
Nobody said this was a benefit, just that it isn't actually doing much to protect children from swears. If they're on the internet, they've probably seen swears.
Not that it matters, because having a place with fewer swears and a swear filter can be beneficial to those looking for safe for work content. In my opinion, the swear filter truly only benefits them.
Adding the option to disable the swear filter (which would be on by default) isn't going to instantly corrupt the children nor is it going to escalate to the scale that you are suggesting that wouldn't be stopped with the swearing rules.
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- Somehow a few **** in the middle of a sentence makes it unreadable.
Nobody said that, but it does make posts less readable. It is also a problem that moderators cannot read swears to determine their severity in the first place since this means they can't enforce portions of the swear rules.
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If you're having trouble reading that sentence then I can PM you a translation.
Quoted from the rules for your convenience:
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3) Be Nice to One AnotherDon't harass, annoy, troll, threaten, or flame other members.
Be courteous and respectful to everyone, and keep all critique constructive in tone. Do not start arguments or attempt to "bait" other members."
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- We filter X but not Y, so lets just disable it all and swear up a happy storm
If the swear filter does not consistently filter swears, its primary function, then what
is the point of filtering any of them? Allowing some swears through goes directly against what you support, which is a swear-free environment for children. If you're going to filter swears,
at least filter them all.
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- It's the internet, swearing happens anyway
See my reply to your first point.
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- Will enable people to swear without repercussions
No, it will not. We would still have rules against swearing.
Nobody is advocating for their removal.
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- Will [potentially] encourage people to swear more. You'll argue that point like you pretend human nature doesn't exist at all
Good thing we have rules against swearing that may be enforced on less than a handful of people that may be encouraged to swear more. Also, since when did you become an expert on human psychology and behavior?
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- More swearing means more "****" for those that keep the filter, making the board look worse by default anyway
And yet, you have repeatedly stated posts filled with asterisks is not a problem? Try not to contradict yourself, please.
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- Does NOT affect your ability to post a coherent sentence at all anyway. If your paragraph is unreadable because there's too many ****'s in it then chances are it probably isn't worth reading and goes against the boards swearing rules anyway.
I don't disagree with your point here except when the swear filter is not just swears and contains joke swears as it did in the past, recently in fact.
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And you're all 20somethings on a board meant for 12+ saying "let the kids swear! (so that I can swear too, because I'm a responsible adult, even though the target demographic of this board isn't me)"
You're at least 30 years old,
you're not in the target demographic so please let the target demographic speak for themselves.
The benefit is to make posts with swears more readable for those who don't mind reading swears, it would also benefit moderators because they can read specific swears and then determine what swears are too severe and enforce the Swearing rules more completely.
You put too much stock in the assumption that being able to read swears is going to lead to more swears when, realistically speaking, people are just going to swear despite the swear filter and fill their post with asterisks or try to work around the swear filter. The swear filter will still be on by default and we will still have rules to keep swearing to a minimum. So, to be honest, I think your entire argument can be boiled down to the fact that you don't like change.
We had the option to disable the swear filter before and it definitely did not create the swearing epidemic you claim would occur and in order for it to do so, most members here would have to have a huge personality shift or change in writing style. You're blowing things out of proportion and for little reason else than to use this as yet another opportunity to talk down to other members, which is probably more disruptive than swearing in the first place.
[quote="Kritter"]None of the above reasons are compelling reasons as to why disabling the filter would [b]benefit [/b]the board. At all. Literally the same reasons I listed above:
- Kids are exposed to swearing all the time[/quote]
Nobody said this was a benefit, just that it isn't actually doing much to protect children from swears. If they're on the internet, they've probably seen swears.
Not that it matters, because having a place with fewer swears and a swear filter can be beneficial to those looking for safe for work content. In my opinion, the swear filter truly only benefits them.
Adding the option to disable the swear filter (which would be on by default) isn't going to instantly corrupt the children nor is it going to escalate to the scale that you are suggesting that wouldn't be stopped with the swearing rules.
[quote]- Somehow a few **** in the middle of a sentence makes it unreadable.[/quote]
Nobody said that, but it does make posts less readable. It is also a problem that moderators cannot read swears to determine their severity in the first place since this means they can't enforce portions of the swear rules.
[quote]If you're having trouble reading that sentence then I can PM you a translation.[/quote]
Quoted from the rules for your convenience:
"[b]3) Be Nice to One Another[/b]
Don't harass, annoy, troll, threaten, or flame other members. [b][u]Be courteous and respectful to everyone, and keep all critique constructive in tone. Do not start arguments or attempt to "bait" other members.[/u][/b]"
[quote]- We filter X but not Y, so lets just disable it all and swear up a happy storm[/quote]
If the swear filter does not consistently filter swears, its primary function, then what [i]is[/i] the point of filtering any of them? Allowing some swears through goes directly against what you support, which is a swear-free environment for children. If you're going to filter swears, [i]at least[/i] filter them all.
[quote]- It's the internet, swearing happens anyway[/quote]
See my reply to your first point.
[quote]- Will enable people to swear without repercussions[/quote]
No, it will not. We would still have rules against swearing. [b][u]Nobody[/u][/b] is advocating for their removal.
[quote]- Will [potentially] encourage people to swear more. You'll argue that point like you pretend human nature doesn't exist at all[/quote]
Good thing we have rules against swearing that may be enforced on less than a handful of people that may be encouraged to swear more. Also, since when did you become an expert on human psychology and behavior?
[quote]- More swearing means more "****" for those that keep the filter, making the board look worse by default anyway[/quote]
And yet, you have repeatedly stated posts filled with asterisks is not a problem? Try not to contradict yourself, please.
[quote]- Does NOT affect your ability to post a coherent sentence at all anyway. If your paragraph is unreadable because there's too many ****'s in it then chances are it probably isn't worth reading and goes against the boards swearing rules anyway.[/quote]
I don't disagree with your point here except when the swear filter is not just swears and contains joke swears as it did in the past, recently in fact.
[quote]And you're all 20somethings on a board meant for 12+ saying "let the kids swear! (so that I can swear too, because I'm a responsible adult, even though the target demographic of this board isn't me)"[/quote]
You're at least 30 years old, [b][i]you're[/i][/b] not in the target demographic so please let the target demographic speak for themselves.
The benefit is to make posts with swears more readable for those who don't mind reading swears, it would also benefit moderators because they can read specific swears and then determine what swears are too severe and enforce the Swearing rules more completely.
You put too much stock in the assumption that being able to read swears is going to lead to more swears when, realistically speaking, people are just going to swear despite the swear filter and fill their post with asterisks or try to work around the swear filter. The swear filter will still be on by default and we will still have rules to keep swearing to a minimum. So, to be honest, I think your entire argument can be boiled down to the fact that you don't like change.
We had the option to disable the swear filter before and it definitely did not create the swearing epidemic you claim would occur and in order for it to do so, most members here would have to have a huge personality shift or change in writing style. You're blowing things out of proportion and for little reason else than to use this as yet another opportunity to talk down to other members, which is probably more disruptive than swearing in the first place.