[quote="Kritter"]None of the above reasons are compelling reasons as to why disabling the filter would [b]benefit [/b]the board. At all. Literally the same reasons I listed above: - Kids are exposed to swearing all the time[/quote] Nobody said this was a benefit, just that it isn't actually doing much to protect children from swears. If they're on the internet, they've probably seen swears. Not that it matters, because having a place with fewer swears and a swear filter can be beneficial to those looking for safe for work content. In my opinion, the swear filter truly only benefits them. Adding the option to disable the swear filter (which would be on by default) isn't going to instantly corrupt the children nor is it going to escalate to the scale that you are suggesting that wouldn't be stopped with the swearing rules. [quote]- Somehow a few **** in the middle of a sentence makes it unreadable.[/quote] Nobody said that, but it does make posts less readable. It is also a problem that moderators cannot read swears to determine their severity in the first place since this means they can't enforce portions of the swear rules. [quote]If you're having trouble reading that sentence then I can PM you a translation.[/quote] Quoted from the rules for your convenience: "[b]3) Be Nice to One Another[/b] Don't harass, annoy, troll, threaten, or flame other members. [b][u]Be courteous and respectful to everyone, and keep all critique constructive in tone. Do not start arguments or attempt to "bait" other members.[/u][/b]" [quote]- We filter X but not Y, so lets just disable it all and swear up a happy storm[/quote] If the swear filter does not consistently filter swears, its primary function, then what [i]is[/i] the point of filtering any of them? Allowing some swears through goes directly against what you support, which is a swear-free environment for children. If you're going to filter swears, [i]at least[/i] filter them all. [quote]- It's the internet, swearing happens anyway[/quote] See my reply to your first point. [quote]- Will enable people to swear without repercussions[/quote] No, it will not. We would still have rules against swearing. [b][u]Nobody[/u][/b] is advocating for their removal. [quote]- Will [potentially] encourage people to swear more. You'll argue that point like you pretend human nature doesn't exist at all[/quote] Good thing we have rules against swearing that may be enforced on less than a handful of people that may be encouraged to swear more. Also, since when did you become an expert on human psychology and behavior? [quote]- More swearing means more "****" for those that keep the filter, making the board look worse by default anyway[/quote] And yet, you have repeatedly stated posts filled with asterisks is not a problem? Try not to contradict yourself, please. [quote]- Does NOT affect your ability to post a coherent sentence at all anyway. If your paragraph is unreadable because there's too many ****'s in it then chances are it probably isn't worth reading and goes against the boards swearing rules anyway.[/quote] I don't disagree with your point here except when the swear filter is not just swears and contains joke swears as it did in the past, recently in fact. [quote]And you're all 20somethings on a board meant for 12+ saying "let the kids swear! (so that I can swear too, because I'm a responsible adult, even though the target demographic of this board isn't me)"[/quote] You're at least 30 years old, [b][i]you're[/i][/b] not in the target demographic so please let the target demographic speak for themselves. The benefit is to make posts with swears more readable for those who don't mind reading swears, it would also benefit moderators because they can read specific swears and then determine what swears are too severe and enforce the Swearing rules more completely. You put too much stock in the assumption that being able to read swears is going to lead to more swears when, realistically speaking, people are just going to swear despite the swear filter and fill their post with asterisks or try to work around the swear filter. The swear filter will still be on by default and we will still have rules to keep swearing to a minimum. So, to be honest, I think your entire argument can be boiled down to the fact that you don't like change. We had the option to disable the swear filter before and it definitely did not create the swearing epidemic you claim would occur and in order for it to do so, most members here would have to have a huge personality shift or change in writing style. You're blowing things out of proportion and for little reason else than to use this as yet another opportunity to talk down to other members, which is probably more disruptive than swearing in the first place.

[quote="HylianDev"][quote="MoneyMan"]Also apparently i can say "******" and "******" and "****" and "****" perfectly fine, might wanna fix that up bc it reflects badly on the priorities of the site just sayin[/quote] I'm on it! Though it appears that a pretty decent chunk of slurs are censored. It's more of an oversight than anything.[/quote] Another example of how the option to disable the swear filter would be beneficial: being able to read posts like this in a debate about swear words. Currently impossible.

If you compare posts here to, let's say, another particular message board that a lot of members here also post on; you'd notice that there are notable differences. We know and respect that the demographic is different. Suddenly getting rid of annoying aterisks is doing just that, you're telling me you'd prefer aterisks over just plain readable words? Do you still listen to the clean version of albums? This in no way would hurt the community, ESPECIALLY if you can toggle it on and off.

If it's a change worth having on the board or website then I'll back it, help it out, even offer to help such as creating assets or ideas etc. I have no problem with change when it benefits the board and website as a whole. "Make swears more readable" isn't something I see as benefiting the board, and I certainly wouldn't call it a problem or a priority. MFGG doesn't [i]have [/i]a swearing problem, the filter isn't a problem and the board isn't suffering because of its inclusion, and if people are realistically going to bypass the filter, they're breaking the current rules anyway: [quote]Keep swearing to a minimum, and don't attempt to bypass the swear filter.[/quote] As for the sentence you can't read, the first two words there shouldn't have been banned anyway, and the other two aren't words that should be used anywhere.

Wow this is pointless I'm getting a headache It's like no matter how many times Kritter hears reasons for making the filter optional, he just says "well that's not a good reason because other people have given it too" You want to know how it would [i]benefit[/i] the board? How about the fact that it would allow people to say what they need to say without being censored? Having a mandatory swear filter because otherwise people might swear more is a logical fallacy. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like others have said, it's already against the rules to swear excessively. I mean while you're at it why not programmatically remove the ability to post, because otherwise people might post something that's against the rules. [quote]the filter isn't a problem and the board isn't suffering because of its inclusion[/quote] Zero people think the swear filter is a problem, but obviously the vast majority of people think it should be optional. Does it only count when [i]you[/i] think the board is suffering, or

[quote="Spritey"]Wow this is pointless I'm getting a headache It's like no matter how many times Kritter hears reasons for making the filter optional, he just says "well that's not a good reason because other people have given it too" You want to know how it would [i]benefit[/i] the board? How about the fact that it would allow people to say what they need to say without being censored? Having a mandatory swear filter because otherwise people might swear more is a logical fallacy. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like others have said, it's already against the rules to swear excessively. I mean while you're at it why not programmatically remove the ability to post, because otherwise people might post something that's against the rules.[/quote] You can't say what you need to say without swearing?

[quote="Kritter"][quote="Spritey"]Wow this is pointless I'm getting a headache It's like no matter how many times Kritter hears reasons for making the filter optional, he just says "well that's not a good reason because other people have given it too" You want to know how it would [i]benefit[/i] the board? How about the fact that it would allow people to say what they need to say without being censored? Having a mandatory swear filter because otherwise people might swear more is a logical fallacy. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like others have said, it's already against the rules to swear excessively. I mean while you're at it why not programmatically remove the ability to post, because otherwise people might post something that's against the rules.[/quote] You can't say what you need to say without swearing?[/quote] These words have a place in our vocabulary and there's no suitable substitute for them, I thought only soccer moms disagreed with this but I guess I was wrong But it's mainly the principle, I can't just casually swear because babysitter MFGG will clean my mouth out with soap What I'm confused about is why the optional filter was removed in the first place; you guys had to purposefully go out of your way to do this, even though you admit yourself that MFGG doesn't have a swearing problem. Just seems like you're trying to combat a problem that doesn't exist by limiting words that nobody has a problem with except for you

Just fyi I'm pretty sure you have to be 13 to join a message board, and I'm sure we all remember what it was like to be 13, swearing, hardcore porn and all

I agree with making the filter optional. I don't agree with lessening or weakening swear rules, though. I feel like they must remain intact to keep this a SFW community. I personally like that MFGG is a SFW community. You can go anywhere else on the internet for a free-for-all-esque atmosphere, imo.

[quote="Spritey"][quote="Kritter"][quote="Spritey"]Wow this is pointless I'm getting a headache It's like no matter how many times Kritter hears reasons for making the filter optional, he just says "well that's not a good reason because other people have given it too" You want to know how it would [i]benefit[/i] the board? How about the fact that it would allow people to say what they need to say without being censored? Having a mandatory swear filter because otherwise people might swear more is a logical fallacy. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like others have said, it's already against the rules to swear excessively. I mean while you're at it why not programmatically remove the ability to post, because otherwise people might post something that's against the rules.[/quote] You can't say what you need to say without swearing?[/quote] These words have a place in our vocabulary and there's no suitable substitute for them, I thought only soccer moms disagreed with this but I guess I was wrong But it's mainly the principle, I can't just casually swear because babysitter MFGG will clean my mouth out with soap What I'm confused about is why the optional filter was removed in the first place; you guys had to purposefully go out of your way to do this, even though you admit yourself that MFGG doesn't have a swearing problem. Just seems like you're trying to combat a problem that doesn't exist by limiting words that nobody has a problem with except for you[/quote] Sounds like you agree swearing isn't an issue here, that's good. Though then I'm confused when you say you want to be able to swear more, doesn't that then make it a bigger problem? Almost like disabling the filter would encourage you to casually swear more? You need to be able to casually swear to make a sentence?

Kritter: https://phpbb.mfgg.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=20247 If you've got nothing more to add other than to attempt making jabs at others, please exit the thread and leave it open to discussion among those that do have something meaningful to add.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that I haven't read any of the last few long posts lol. I probably won't read them either; I feel like it's a feelings thing as much as anything. Here is my opinion on the matter: [quote="[url=http://phpbb.mfgg.net/viewtopic.php?p=515763#p515763]Pedigree[/url]"]I agree with making the filter optional. I don't agree with lessening or weakening swear rules, though. I feel like they must remain intact to keep this a SFW community. I personally like that MFGG is a SFW community. You can go anywhere else on the internet for a free-for-all-esque atmosphere, imo.[/quote] When something is this contentious and hard to find a solution for, I find myself that it's best to err on the side of good user experience / user freedom. I'm a sovereign [s]Ron Paul-voting American[/s] user, I should be able to see what's being written on my forum.

[quote="Pedigree"]Kritter: https://phpbb.mfgg.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=20247 If you've got nothing more to add other than to attempt making jabs at others, please exit the thread and leave it open to discussion among those that do have something meaningful to add.[/quote] Honest questions they were.

if there's rules against excessively swearing in place as it is AND mfgg doesn't have an immediate swearing problem AND toggling the filter itself would be an optional thing you need to manually turn off, then i do not see what the problem is if someone ticks it off and starts swearing in excess (which is already a pretty subjective thing and should probably be clarified should this go through) then they'll get warned just as they have in the past. if seeing "fuck" on a mario message board is going to ruin your day then you have bigger problems than worrying about the filter in of itself

[quote="Mit"]if there's rules against excessively swearing in place as it is AND mfgg doesn't have an immediate swearing problem AND toggling the filter itself would be an optional thing you need to manually turn off, then i do not see what the problem is if someone ticks it off and starts swearing in excess (which is already a pretty subjective thing and should probably be clarified should this go through) then they'll get warned just as they have in the past. if seeing "f***" on a mario message board is going to ruin your day then you have bigger problems than worrying about the filter in of itself[/quote] This is the exact point people have made time and time again and he just doesn't seem to care lol

[quote="Pedigree"]I agree with making the filter optional. I don't agree with lessening or weakening swear rules, though. I feel like they must remain intact to keep this a SFW community. I personally like that MFGG is a SFW community. You can go anywhere else on the internet for a free-for-all-esque atmosphere, imo.[/quote] Yeah I agree, that's why I think the filter should remain intact by default and excessive swearing should still be punished. MFGG isn't the place for excessive swearing, but there's also a good percentage of adults who should be able to talk like adults with other adults when appropriate.

What qualifies as excessive? Would I be able to put one in every single sentence I write here and be okay? Two? Does it depend on how it's used? Can I say "holy f*** s*** that's f*** amazing!" and get away with it because I was super enthusiastic and it wasn't used agressively? If we're going to disable the filter and let us swear whenever I might as well get on board now. [quote="Mit"]if seeing "f***" on a mario message board is going to ruin your day then you have bigger problems than worrying about the filter in of itself[/quote] I like this part.

We're not going to disable the filter. It's a maturity thing. If you decide that you are mature enough to disable it, that's your decision. Also, arguing about what is or is not excessive is just as much a criticism of having the rule in the first place as it is of not having a strong enough rule. We'll know what excessive is when we see swearing happening a lot more than it does now, I suppose.

i think that context would definitely be an important key to getting stronger swearing rules. if that's how someone chooses to express their enthusiasm, then either a. let them or b. tell them over PM to tone it down. i have personal experience with someone swearing in excess to be aggressive on the boards and just as it wasn't then it shouldn't be tolerated now, a flame's a flame no matter how many f-bombs you drop in between

Well optional filter, but that still means people like me get to swear and get to see it if it's casual or "within reason". Seems really wishy washy though, I can't see it being highly enforced if you can't really know beforehand what's excessive. There'll always be a case to argue like "I was just a bit heated" or "I just got caught up in the moment" or "I was just so excited!"