hasnt this been said already like 20 million times

[quote="Technoflops"]hasnt this been said already like 20 million times[/quote] the admins are not all on the same page on it

Yes, Kira Game would qualify under the 'social' contributions aspect of things. Missed that.

[quote="Yoshin"]As staff from another forum, I will say the way the staff here are handling things have been real poor. You all have been fairly secretive, and in general feeling like you have some bad feelings about Minus World. As a moderator there let me make it clear that everyone involved legitimately just wanted to post on MFGG. On the topic of the LGBT stuff, it was just a thread made by someone who is part of that community to converse with other LGBT members, and the way you as the staff dealt with it is really concerning, as is the viewpoint of a good portion of this community. Concerning shitposts and if they should be allowed or not, thats a no brainer, you can't reasonably define a ****post. It is also appalling that a member got banned not once but twice just for posting a lot, for posting things fully within the rules of the site. Go back a page and you can find similar style threads. Not being able to handle yourselves in a situation that is in all reality pretty light is a sad sight, for a lot of places all thats been going on has would have been considered not too bad. All in all I think you need to have a serious staff reform, and a major rules reform. A PPP-like forum would also be super benificial, if you really want to push your "GC is only for serious posts" deal.[/quote] This got paged pretty quickly.

killer queen has already touched the "reply" button

Look, Technoflops, if all you're going to do is make posts about how the discussion is still going on, you're not helping. If you're tired of the discussion stop reading the topic.

[quote="Yoshin"]As staff from another forum, I will say the way the staff here are handling things have been real poor. You all have been fairly secretive, and in general feeling like you have some bad feelings about Minus World. As a moderator there let me make it clear that everyone involved legitimately just wanted to post on MFGG. On the topic of the LGBT stuff, it was just a thread made by someone who is part of that community to converse with other LGBT members, and the way you as the staff dealt with it is really concerning, as is the viewpoint of a good portion of this community. Concerning shitposts and if they should be allowed or not, thats a no brainer, you can't reasonably define a ****post. It is also appalling that a member got banned not once but twice just for posting a lot, for posting things fully within the rules of the site. Go back a page and you can find similar style threads. Not being able to handle yourselves in a situation that is in all reality pretty light is a sad sight, for a lot of places all thats been going on has would have been considered not too bad. All in all I think you need to have a serious staff reform, and a major rules reform. A PPP-like forum would also be super benificial, if you really want to push your "GC is only for serious posts" deal(which it isn't if you go back a page and look anyways).[/quote] I would also like to put a reminder that users new and old have abandoned the site because of all this, and that should definitely be something for the staff to talk about.

Click the spoiler for my longpost on this that got paged as well. [spoiler][quote="Pedigree"][quote]The MWers joined en masse[/quote] We didn't. We all had accounts. A couple members at most joined and if we want to pretend that MW posting on MFGG counts as part of the problem, that's a narrative that I definitely do not support. [quote]and immediately made a lot of topics about controversial matters (LGBT issues...)[/quote] Are you not allowed to ask if other members are LGBT on Mario Fan Games Galaxy? That's literally all that thread was. [quote]as well as a whole bunch of spam/joke topics in a board that really wasn't designed for PPP-like topics.[/quote] Please do describe what you mean by this since the General Chat is filled with open PPP-like topics. Nobody knows what makes the topics deleted and locked "too PPP-like" in comparison to other threads your staff has allowed, especially when your staff has not made any statements in any of the threads deleted or locked. [quote]They also made some nasty and highly personal remarks about various MFGGers.[/quote] "They". Maybe a couple members tops. We don't condone "highly personal remarks" but please don't write a narrative that MW joined MFGG to attack other MFGGers. [quote]You'd have to be incredibly naive - or totally unaware of the possibility that different communities might have different cultures - to think that such behavior wouldn't trigger a reaction. On the other hand, several MFGGers reacted in a very ugly way, and that's not acceptable either. And on the staff's end, we definitely could've handled this better with better internal and external communication and a more engaged moderation team.[/quote] Let's not downplay the events and make it look like MFGG members have a much lesser hand in this explosion. 1. Vitiman making an anti-MW joke in BlasterMaster's thread for no reason plus 10 pages of "Minus World" mentions on MFGG when you search the term. This is not the first and last time I will see someone on MFGG talking crap about MW. MW shouldn't have this much relevance to your forum, so at the very least you should be handling these as shitposts or an outside dispute. Best case scenario, the staff starts reeling people in on the MW bashing instead of encouraging it because they find it amusing *ahem*Coco*ahem*. 2. Yrr joined because she is thinking about making a sequel to her Mario fangame Aftermath. She wanted to talk with other LGBT so she made a thread asking who on MFGG might be LGBT. The result? Psid coming into the thread to spread misinformation and attack LGBT for making a choice to be gay for brownie points plus other bull****. It was later revealed in CFP chat he did it for the lulz but for some reason this reveal means it's MW's fault for taking the bait. No, this is not how it should work. It also took hours for the moderators to handle the situation and the result was to lock the thread and give Psid a slap on the wrist. 3. To make matters worse, someone vandalized the CFP documents and was impersonating Yrr. 4. Staff banned Zelma for nothing not once but twice. Both bans violations of MFGG's own warning policies. Zelma also did not break any rules and was actively communicating with DJ Coco to ask what he is allowed to post. Zelma's bans and the confusion over what's allowed in General Chat are CLEAR MFGG problems and not exclusive to MW members. While Zelma was banned twice for shitposts, I should mention that nothing was done about members like Kritter who were constantly making ****post replies to suggestion threads. 5. Gato locked a bunch of unresolved threads for no reason and issued warnings to people who provided any additional feedback on topics he deemed not worth discussing. Gato also gloated about these actions and threatened to ban me in the MW Discord if I didn't stop posting suggestion threads. Many of those unresolved threads are still locked, by the way. 6. Let's not forget that a Global Mod here made an angry thread on MW in which he inadvertently (or at least he claims it's inadvertently), repeatedly implies that MW members are 12 year old unstables. https://minus.world/showthread.php?tid=2663 These are just the highlights of MFGG's fault in the matter. Please do not create such a narrative that MW has most of the blame. It is not constructive and will contribute to ignoring problems that you could otherwise resolve. To me, it looks like the events were not properly reviewed and that you might have simply accepted either DJ Coco's or Gato's account of the situation. Both of those accounts are obviously going to be biased, just for the record. [quote]MW measures its success by the number of posts made[/quote] This is not true. Please do not spread misinformation. [quote]MW's community is especially sensitive to mistreatment of marginalized groups, and while we certainly don't approve of such behavior on MFGG, our moderation team tends to take the position that if you're feeding the trolls (or cussing them out), you're part of the problem too.[/quote] This narrative you're writing is ESPECIALLY PROBLEMATIC. We are not "especially sensitive" to mistreatment of marginalized groups. We simply have rules in place to prevent it, as is now the [u]STANDARD[/u] on the internet. Whether this mistreatment comes from trolls or not is [u]not relevant[/u]. And to ask someone whose life is filled with such bigotry to ignore someone gaybashing them is easier said than done. I highly recommend you read a couple of my posts in this topic so you can understand my point of view. If you want to make MFGG a better place, maybe start with taking some responsibility for your own actions and not writing a narrative that shifts the blame. Don't disregard feedback because you don't like the tone either. Believe it or not, most of the MW members who posted here do want MFGG to succeed. To suggest otherwise is dumb, after all many of us have a significant portions of our lives in this place. If you want to keep The Split memes alive, despite the fact most of you weren't even there for The Split, then I really don't understand you but at least don't attack our character or misrepresent our community for the sake of it. MFGG is better than this, or at least it used to be.[/quote][/spoiler]

[quote="Pedigree"][quote]The MWers joined en masse[/quote] We didn't. We all had accounts. A couple members at most joined[/quote] That's a pedantic distinction. Those accounts were inactive prior to this. It doesn't matter when they were technically created.

[font=Comic Sans MS]I think the subject of this thread is really simple: If a group of people join and some of them don't mesh well with the rules or the culture or whatever, it's really easy to blame the entire group for this. Easy isn't right or good for anyone in the long run though, so that kind of attitude is pretty detrimental to the forum at large. I've joined quite a few communities alongside a group of friends and in nearly every instance we've become a scapegoat. It's a real problem. It's not that difficult of a problem to solve- talk to the people you think are causing issues; maybe they just need to be set on the right path. Not everyone is going to understand your forum culture right outside of the box, and those set on the right path may become some of your most valuable members. Otherwise, you end up mistreating people's friends and then being shocked when they get upset that their friends are being mistreated- pretty obvious what's going to go down there. Anything else up for discussion should be in its own thread so people who don't want to read about minus world don't have to bother. That's it, topic solved, let's lock this and discuss some more important suggestions (maybe unlock some other threads too)[/font]

[quote="Willsaber"][quote="Pedigree"][quote]The MWers joined en masse[/quote] We didn't. We all had accounts. A couple members at most joined[/quote] That's a pedantic distinction. Those accounts were inactive prior to this. It doesn't matter when they were technically created.[/quote] For the record, yes it does. This distinction is important when you guys keep pushing the "raid" narrative and spreading misinformation to pass the buck. It doesn't matter if the accounts were inactive either, it's not like there's a rule stating that your accounts are pruned after a period of time, nor are there rules that state that you can't post if you haven't in a while. Stop clinging to who's active, an mfgg member, to blame or who's not and derailing the point of the entire discussion. It's no wonder why progress is slow when you keep making [u]every[/u] excuse you possibly can not to make any changes. I agree with Mario's post, coincidentally.