bringing it up as a point of reference in the site's history is one thing, continuing the discussion however is another. this is the former.

i was linked to this thread by the OP so here's my 2 cents the rules are very open to interpretation and that's a bad thing. it's an internet message board, not a constitutional document. if a rule is either too loose or too constricting it can be edited immediately for clarity. there should be no situation where a moderator says "i feel like i should lock this." either there's a rule that they can point to, or there isn't.

I think today, with how HDev has acted, is reason to bring into question his status as a mod. He, took a massive amount of arguing to get him to unlock a topic after he admitted much earlier he should not have locked it. He raided another forum and PERSONALLY ATTACKED members there in response to the thread he locked. He continued to delete threads made, without informing members of any wrong doing, and upon further questioning, claimed that it was a personal attack on him to be asked what his logic was in not unlocking the thread. He has now gotten to unlocking the thread after much generalizations, attacks at MFGG members, and making false claims of certain threads purposes and threatening to punish for their existence when HDev himself asked them to be made. Even if this is the first time, this kind of behaviour is totally unacceptable from a staff member, and I think is on par with DJYoshiman browsing through members' PMs without their knowledge.

[quote="BlasterMaster"]i was linked to this thread by the OP so here's my 2 cents the rules are very open to interpretation and that's a bad thing. it's an internet message board, not a constitutional document. if a rule is either too loose or too constricting it can be edited immediately for clarity. there should be no situation where a moderator says "i feel like i should lock this." either there's a rule that they can point to, or there isn't.[/quote] I agree very much with this.

As a staff member on other sites, I will say that HylianDev's behaviour today is unacceptable from a staff member. People will come at me and go "it was just one day" but thats not the issue at hand, if he's like this under pressure how will he act if similar cases rise up? That my opinion on all this

[quote="Evil Yoshi Toes"][quote="BlasterMaster"]i was linked to this thread by the OP so here's my 2 cents the rules are very open to interpretation and that's a bad thing. it's an internet message board, not a constitutional document. if a rule is either too loose or too constricting it can be edited immediately for clarity. there should be no situation where a moderator says "i feel like i should lock this." either there's a rule that they can point to, or there isn't.[/quote] I agree very much with this.[/quote] Especially rules 4 and 6, because shitposting does allow for discussion if its considered funny by the people taking part in it (ex - recent threads made by MW which is actually tastefully funny and can spark meaningful discussions) and also that general maturity is socioculturally dependent on where you are at and what you do with your peers. Also can we get rid of rule 1 because we can just externally link and content warn posts so that people can know what they are getting themselves into?

[quote="DarkSideStrike"]Especially rules 4 and 6, because ****posting does allow for discussion if its considered funny by the people taking part in it and also that general maturity is socioculturally dependent on where you are at and what you do with your peers.[/quote] i'm going to quote these rules because there's a belief that they ban joking and lighthearted discussion [quote][size=85]4) No Spam Keep discussions meaningful and on-topic - do not deliberately derail threads or disrupt conversation, and don't flood-post. Direct advertisements should be limited to member profiles and signatures. Posts consisting solely of a reaction image may be removed at a moderator's discretion. 6) General Maturity Be an intelligent, sensible contributor to MFGG. Some things to avoid: "typin liek dis........ XDXDXD"; writing in barely understandable English or foreign languages, or consistently showing an inability to understand basic English. Using terminology generally considered offensive to one's race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion, or other statuses that people have limited control over (such as racial epithets or gay slurs). Frequently instigating arguments or disrupting the community in some other, negative way. Bumping old topics without a valid reason. Asking for help in some way (advice in the general chat, or criticism in the development/arts boards) and then showing a complete disregard for any help that is given. [/size][/quote] nowhere in their description does it say "don't poopoo post, don't be ironic, don't joke, don't have fun" specifically rule 4 deals with derailing threads and personal advertising, while rule 6 deals with posts that are unlikely to prompt healthy discussion because they promote negativity, confusion, frustration or similar feelings. having a lighthearted thread to joke with other members of the community isn't against the rules. if for some reason it's supposed to be, the rules need to be updated. i would personally recommend against that though. any thread that can actually prompt discussion is de facto healthy for a message board community.

I'll be transparent and admit that I don't actually know the rule topic by heart. But I do know that shitposting has been really frowned upon in the past. I've tried to be as light on stuff like that as possible, but I saw an argument brewing and I conflated some lighthearted posts into the argument and locked the topic, then there was an angry mob, and well My judgement has been extremely clouded today I'm one of the people who's actually in favor of the PPP though. That topic definitely wouldn't have been locked if we had one of those. So perhaps if you're invested in the MFGG community and want a PPP, go and voice your support in the PPP topic.

the problem i see is giving a foot and taking a mile with that rule. spam's become basically a buzzword at this point for funposting/ironic jokes/threads, so i think changing it to threads that offend are dealt with on a per-report basis, and things like flooding being a replacement for "spam" (as it's more of a concrete, obvious thing) stuff like the sticker stage thread are fine because ZK is cool with the joke, but if say, he wasn't, then he has every right to call for it to get locked.

[quote="HylianDev"]I'll be transparent and admit that I don't actually know the rule topic by heart. But I do know that ****posting has been really frowned upon in the past. [/quote] this is really discouraging to new members like myself and a lot of the others here today we can't possibly know what precedents have been established, all we have to go off of is the pinned Rules thread

[quote="HylianDev"]but I saw an argument brewing and I conflated some lighthearted posts into the argument and locked the topic, then there was an angry mob, and well[/quote] Should we really care about what the angry mob thinks when they're hardly even part of MFGG's community?

[quote="Vertette"][quote="HylianDev"]but I saw an argument brewing and I conflated some lighthearted posts into the argument and locked the topic, then there was an angry mob, and well[/quote] Should we really care about what the angry mob thinks when they're hardly even part of MFGG's community?[/quote] yes because they were all active members of MFGG at some point in time (including now) and their issue is with glaring problems regarding the rules that affect everyone. just because you don't see the problem doesn't mean it's not there.

[quote="Mit"]yes because they were all active members of MFGG at some point in time.[/quote] Keypoint being "were".

[quote="BlasterMaster"][quote="HylianDev"]I'll be transparent and admit that I don't actually know the rule topic by heart. But I do know that ****posting has been really frowned upon in the past. [/quote] this is really discouraging to new members like myself and a lot of the others here today we can't possibly know what precedents have been established, all we have to go off of is the pinned Rules thread[/quote] Yeah we could really do with a rehaul Tbh there's a big rehaul on a lot of things due, but it's all sorta been put off for MFGG3

[quote="Vertette"][quote="Mit"]yes because they were all active members of MFGG at some point in time.[/quote] Keypoint being "were".[/quote] so just because they "were" once a member this throws out a perfectly valid complaint that, once again, affects everyone?

[quote="HylianDev"][quote="BlasterMaster"][quote="HylianDev"]I'll be transparent and admit that I don't actually know the rule topic by heart. But I do know that ****posting has been really frowned upon in the past. [/quote] this is really discouraging to new members like myself and a lot of the others here today we can't possibly know what precedents have been established, all we have to go off of is the pinned Rules thread[/quote] Yeah we could really do with a rehaul Tbh there's a big rehaul on a lot of things due, but it's all sorta been put off for MFGG3[/quote] i understand wanting to have a big day of changes, but something like "making the forum rules consistent" is something that should be handled quickly getting the mod staff in a chat room together and rewriting the rules shouldn't take more than day

[quote="Mit"][quote="Vertette"][quote="Mit"]yes because they were all active members of MFGG at some point in time.[/quote] Keypoint being "were".[/quote] so just because they "were" once a member this throws out a perfectly valid complaint that, once again, affects everyone?[/quote] I'm sure you have perfectly valid complaints, and I'm sure that revising the rules could clear up a lot of misconceptions, but once the lot of MW starts posting topics about communism being inevitable, futa porn and a bunch of topics about HD needing to be demodded because he locked shittopics, it's hard to take the legitimate complaints seriously, and I don't think you'll need a revision to know that topics like that aren't allowed here.

I have browsed MFGG every day since 2002, Vertette. Your stance on this is laughable.

[quote="Vertette"][quote="Mit"][quote="Vertette"] Keypoint being "were".[/quote] so just because they "were" once a member this throws out a perfectly valid complaint that, once again, affects everyone?[/quote] I'm sure you have perfectly valid complaints, and I'm sure that revising the rules could clear up a lot of misconceptions, but once the lot of MW starts posting topics about communism being inevitable, futa porn and a bunch of topics about HD needing to be demodded because he locked shittopics, it's hard to take the legitimate complaints seriously, and I don't think you'll need a revision to know that topics like that aren't allowed here.[/quote] I think this is a very fair point. I've considered a lot of what the mob said, and I've apologized a lot. But at the end of the day, people who are not active in this community flooded in, formed a mob, and posted a bunch of stuff that mostly ranges between "unusual but it can slide" and "rule breaking".

[quote="HylianDev"][quote="Vertette"][quote="Mit"] so just because they "were" once a member this throws out a perfectly valid complaint that, once again, affects everyone?[/quote] I'm sure you have perfectly valid complaints, and I'm sure that revising the rules could clear up a lot of misconceptions, but once the lot of MW starts posting topics about communism being inevitable, futa porn and a bunch of topics about HD needing to be demodded because he locked shittopics, it's hard to take the legitimate complaints seriously, and I don't think you'll need a revision to know that topics like that aren't allowed here.[/quote] I think this is a very fair point. I've considered a lot of what the mob said, and I've apologized a lot. But at the end of the day, people who are not active in this community flooded in, formed a mob, and posted a bunch of stuff that mostly ranges between "unusual but it can slide" and "rule breaking".[/quote] Thanks for continuing to be a disingenuous liar and manipulator. <3