I've been doing a lot of thinking about this lately and I figured this would be a better place to put this than in its own thread. For reading purposes I'll be breaking my usual nonchalant typing style to make things easier to read as I've been told in the past that writing a bunch of paragraphs without proper articulation makes reading far more difficult. I've gone on and on about this before and I know to some this isn't really that serious a topic, but I think that if I've been meditating on this for as long as I have then it warrants attention being called. I would hope that for once I'm taken relatively seriously regarding this since I feel I'm usually not and I find that worrisome. I know I'm not the most popular user here, however something I've noticed lately (and have mentioned more than a few times in the past) is the overbearing feeling that the site is shifting towards a style of thinking that I personally think is very, very toxic when left alone for as long as it has been. As one of the admins on Hotel Delfino, even now I feel this is a problem as more and more of the people I find are applicable to what I'll soon describe are promoted to higher site roles for what I can only feel is personal preference and having your foot in the door because you're friends with the people already in power. I'll start relatively simple though, with what I think is the biggest of these issues. Too many people here that are higher up deem "things they find unfunny" as "spam that needs to be removed". I've brought this up a few times in the PPP thread because I think that it is a serious problem regarding how a PPP will be handled. I am not worried about newbies making meme threads that are unfunny to most, I'm worried about them getting locked and cut short because an admin finds them "not funny". The old Karnov Thread was very "decisive" to most, as it was prematurely locked by the now demoted Nite Shadow. For some, it was the straw that broke the camel's back, and it kickstarted most of the big changes MFGG's seen as of late, such as the creation of the suggestions board and many other MFGG3.0 plans that wouldn'tve been made otherwise. This also spurred the joint-effort aforementioned Hotel Delfino, which is still going strong as "the" MFGG IM chat, despite being unofficial. As I mentioned earlier, I know I am not the most popular user for more than a few people. Even though they may not say it I know they find that I can be elitist, and at some times hypocritical, but I cannot say I haven't changed a lot of my views based on personal criticism I've received lately. I recall the discourse between the Club Saturn and Jimmy T. Discord groups, and how a lot of bad blood between that (even between the now defunct new IRC as well as the final iteration of the Skype group) resulted from fear of the chatrooms becoming too clique-y, as well as talking about other users behind their backs. The irony behind all this, however, is that each of these groups participated in these activities, and usually ended up in both groups calling hypocrisy at each other. I think everyone who was in these groups can agree that both were guilty of both of these things, whether they've admitted it or not, and hopefully we can work on making current and future relations better by avoiding this. I do find that it is inevitable that the community will talk about the community, but it was at its worst in the past, and hopefully we can all strive to not get it to be that bad ever again. You may be wondering, "these are all off-site affairs, what the hell does this have to do with the forums?", and you're partially right. Far from 100% of the community participates in off-site chats, and they shouldn't and won't be criticized for what I have and will describe, however it's undeniable that many popular users, including forum admins, participate in these chats. I will preface this now that I won't name names, I won't use specific quotes, and I won't call for their removal for what they've said and done. They don't need to leave the chats. That's not the point of this post and I won't be calling what they find funny "spam" anytime soon, regardless of how I feel about it. The point is to come to a resolve and to hopefully improve internal site relations so future conflicts do not occur. There is a very good reason why I am worried about the PPP. I am worried that the clique-y attitude still continues, however I know that I am no longer a contributor to it. Past experiences have made me less judgmental towards the opinions of others both because doing this is not only a one way ticket to disaster, but also because don't have the capacity to worry about what other people enjoy or find funny because I have my own things I need to be doing. If I can change my mentality like this, then I seriously hope that the general tone and preferences of some admins will as well. I think that promoting based on preference is an extremely unfair thing to do, not only to other potential applicants, but to the community as a whole. I seriously hope this isn't reading like a revenge plot to get me into power, because I will do anything I need to to prove otherwise. With things like the PPP on the horizon, having a common mentality rather than getting a very diverse set of individuals to moderate and admin the forums will do nothing but harm future members as it will only make them feel excluded and could even potentially railroad them into a hazardous mindset. Regardless of what you find interesting, uninteresting, funny, unfunny, and no matter how vocal you are about this, you cannot let it dictate how you moderate. I will stress that this is not the entire staff, far from it, but regardless it is an obviously growing problem from the standpoint of someone who spends a lot of their time with most of the active community. What do I suggest doing? Not only should those I'm describing be more open minded, but there should also be general rules set in place to not allow them to do this in the future. I see things that are "unfunny" tend to be described as "pointless spam" and I would like this mindset to stop dictating so much, both on-site and off. Humor is not a competition. Rules that follow this trend should be replaced with more clear-cut and inarguable rules such as "no flooding" and "no flaming", as if anything has become clear to me these past few months, the word "spam" is something that's so exploited amongst certain individuals that it's becoming a major problem. I hope this reads coherently enough. This is something I feel extremely strongly about and going forward I want it to be addressed and rectified rather than left to rot and get worse. I would hope it's not just me that feels this way because I know what'll happen otherwise. Tl;dr- Grow a spine and just say you don't think it's funny. Don't treat users like freaks just because they don't think what you think is funny. Just because you don't think the joke is funny or don't get what's being discussed doesn't mean you need to put your foot down and ruin things for the people that do.
I've been doing a lot of thinking about this lately and I figured this would be a better place to put this than in its own thread. For reading purposes I'll be breaking my usual nonchalant typing style to make things easier to read as I've been told in the past that writing a bunch of paragraphs without proper articulation makes reading far more difficult. I've gone on and on about this before and I know to some this isn't really that serious a topic, but I think that if I've been meditating on this for as long as I have then it warrants attention being called. I would hope that for once I'm taken relatively seriously regarding this since I feel I'm usually not and I find that worrisome.
I know I'm not the most popular user here, however something I've noticed lately (and have mentioned more than a few times in the past) is the overbearing feeling that the site is shifting towards a style of thinking that I personally think is very, very toxic when left alone for as long as it has been. As one of the admins on Hotel Delfino, even now I feel this is a problem as more and more of the people I find are applicable to what I'll soon describe are promoted to higher site roles for what I can only feel is personal preference and having your foot in the door because you're friends with the people already in power. I'll start relatively simple though, with what I think is the biggest of these issues.
Too many people here that are higher up deem "things they find unfunny" as "spam that needs to be removed". I've brought this up a few times in the PPP thread because I think that it is a serious problem regarding how a PPP will be handled. I am not worried about newbies making meme threads that are unfunny to most, I'm worried about them getting locked and cut short because an admin finds them "not funny". The old [url=https://phpbb.mfgg.net/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=19654]Karnov Thread[/url] was very "decisive" to most, as it was prematurely locked by the now demoted Nite Shadow. For some, it was the straw that broke the camel's back, and it kickstarted most of the big changes MFGG's seen as of late, such as the creation of the suggestions board and many other MFGG3.0 plans that wouldn'tve been made otherwise. This also spurred the joint-effort aforementioned Hotel Delfino, which is still going strong as "the" MFGG IM chat, despite being unofficial.
As I mentioned earlier, I know I am not the most popular user for more than a few people. Even though they may not say it I know they find that I can be elitist, and at some times hypocritical, but I cannot say I haven't changed a lot of my views based on personal criticism I've received lately. I recall the discourse between the Club Saturn and Jimmy T. Discord groups, and how a lot of bad blood between that (even between the now defunct new IRC as well as the final iteration of the Skype group) resulted from fear of the chatrooms becoming too clique-y, as well as talking about other users behind their backs. The irony behind all this, however, is that each of these groups participated in these activities, and usually ended up in both groups calling hypocrisy at each other. I think everyone who was in these groups can agree that both were guilty of both of these things, whether they've admitted it or not, and hopefully we can work on making current and future relations better by avoiding this. I do find that it is inevitable that the community will talk about the community, but it was at its worst in the past, and hopefully we can all strive to not get it to be that bad ever again.
You may be wondering, "these are all off-site affairs, what the hell does this have to do with the forums?", and you're partially right. Far from 100% of the community participates in off-site chats, and they shouldn't and won't be criticized for what I have and will describe, however it's undeniable that many popular users, including forum admins, participate in these chats. I will preface this now that I won't name names, I won't use specific quotes, and I won't call for their removal for what they've said and done. They don't need to leave the chats. That's not the point of this post and I won't be calling what they find funny "spam" anytime soon, regardless of how I feel about it. The point is to come to a resolve and to hopefully improve internal site relations so future conflicts do not occur. There is a very good reason why I am worried about the PPP.
I am worried that the clique-y attitude still continues, however I know that I am no longer a contributor to it. Past experiences have made me less judgmental towards the opinions of others both because doing this is not only a one way ticket to disaster, but also because don't have the capacity to worry about what other people enjoy or find funny because I have my own things I need to be doing. If I can change my mentality like this, then I seriously hope that the general tone and preferences of some admins will as well. I think that promoting based on preference is an extremely unfair thing to do, not only to other potential applicants, but to the community as a whole. I seriously hope this isn't reading like a revenge plot to get me into power, because I will do anything I need to to prove otherwise. With things like the PPP on the horizon, having a common mentality rather than getting a very diverse set of individuals to moderate and admin the forums will do nothing but harm future members as it will only make them feel excluded and could even potentially railroad them into a hazardous mindset. Regardless of what you find interesting, uninteresting, funny, unfunny, and no matter how vocal you are about this, you cannot let it dictate how you moderate. I will stress that this is not the entire staff, far from it, but regardless it is an obviously growing problem from the standpoint of someone who spends a lot of their time with most of the active community.
What do I suggest doing? Not only should those I'm describing be more open minded, but there should also be general rules set in place to not allow them to do this in the future. I see things that are "unfunny" tend to be described as "pointless spam" and I would like this mindset to stop dictating so much, both on-site and off. Humor is not a competition. Rules that follow this trend should be replaced with more clear-cut and inarguable rules such as "no flooding" and "no flaming", as if anything has become clear to me these past few months, the word "spam" is something that's so exploited amongst certain individuals that it's becoming a major problem.
I hope this reads coherently enough. This is something I feel extremely strongly about and going forward I want it to be addressed and rectified rather than left to rot and get worse. I would hope it's not just me that feels this way because I know what'll happen otherwise.
Tl;dr- Grow a spine and just say you don't think it's funny. Don't treat users like freaks just because they don't think what you think is funny. Just because you don't think the joke is funny or don't get what's being discussed doesn't mean you need to put your foot down and ruin things for the people that do.
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