i feel like placing it here was mainly just an afterthought and not actual malicious intent, but nonetheless i feel like having it higher up on the forum listing not only means that more people will see it, but it reflects that the staff want people's suggestions off to newcomers and that they will be heard if they have something to say AT LEAST that's my theory

There has been a bit of talk on the staff end about reorganizing some of the sub-forums. I believe there are too many sub-forums under the "MFGG" category currently, so maybe we can have two or three sections for the forums to be located in.

that would be even better actually, now that there are enough forums again to justify having the community stuff under its own section again, possibly just an idea of course

After a bit more discussion, we decided between two different possible layouts. Let us know which one you like better, or feel free to throw suggestions our way: Number 1: [spoiler]MFGG - News & Events - Suggestions Center Creation Center - Development Showcase - Developer Discussion - The Arts Board Community - Gaming - General Chat - Forum Games[/spoiler] Number 2: [spoiler]MFGG - News & Events - Development Showcase - Developer Discussion - The Arts Board - Suggestions Center Community - Gaming - General Chat - Forum Games[/spoiler]

I prefer #1 myself.

I prefer #1 with maybe a slight adjustment to Creation Center's title, maybe just Creations?

[s]call it "creationism" ;)[/s] in all seriousness i prefer 1, but yeah "creation center" feels a bit weird to me, maybe just "showcase" or something simple?

I suppose I prefer #1 myself. Is there a possibility in the future of getting rid of those awful roll-over text descriptions and big fat image bars and going back to a normal: [size=150][u] [b]GENERAL CHAT[/b][/u][/size] [size=85]Discuss various off-topic matters in this forum, such as world news or just things that are on your mind. The General Chat is not a spam forum though, so please try to keep discussions civil and stick to the forum rules![/size] -- And while we're at it, renaming Development Showcase to something a bit easier to understand like "Game Dev Showcase" or simply "Game Development", developer showcase sounds too serious like we're all serious game devs.

I prefer #1 too.

My alternative. Let's call it #3 Mainly because I don't see why News and Events needs to be up the top, it's not used as often as other forums and any other important news is usually given a forum-wide announcement. I also think General Chat needs to be closer to the top of the list, due to the fact that it's meant to be sort of the central hub. Creation Center - Game Development - Developer Discussion Community - General Chat - The Arts Board - Gaming - Forum Games MFGG - News & Events - Suggestions Center

I think #1 is the best option. Also I really like the image bars, I think we should keep those.

i'm definitely for #1. not fond of kritter's since i believe arts should be in creation center and not in community being that it's... well, creation. maybe in practice we could just let users move around board positions to their liking? that being said, putting MFGG at the bottom is a debatably good idea, however it's important to have recent board news be at the top of the page. maybe we could rework the announcements bar to actually work, and maybe it could scroll through a set of recent news both site and mario related, like "SUPER COMP ENDING IN 3 DAYS! ..." with a link to the thread, followed by "SUPER MARIO ODYSSEY: NEW TRAILER! ..." in general it might be worth slightly shifting focus to mario news as well as fangaming just to keep on the up and up and get broader appeal.

I think I agree with everything Mit said here. Art is creation. It isn't community any more than "development discussion" is imo.

Where are the likes? I gotta give one to Mit's post.

Either of Cruise Elroy's suggestions would be fine with me. The "Community" section should be at the bottom of the list.

[quote="VinnyVideo"]The "Community" section should be at the bottom of the list.[/quote] I disagree entirely! This IS a community, things that centre around the community should closer to the top.

[quote="Kritter"][quote="VinnyVideo"]The "Community" section should be at the bottom of the list.[/quote] I disagree entirely! This IS a community, things that centre around the community should be up the top.[/quote] yea, this is the part i agree with wholeheartedly. the farther down we stick community the less importance it holds and one thing MFGG really needs to do is smoothen out its community-centered aspects. this is only vaguely related but what if the main site was shifted to have a heavier focus on logging the development of games, and the forums were more focused on community events? you can still make threads for game development on the boards of course, but the main site could get more use if it was reworked to have more robust pages for games that logged games as they were being developed, giving each game submission its own "microforum" to promote individual discussion. kinda like what steam does.

Also I don't generally lump Arts in with "Creation" on this forum mainly because the art posted here historically doesn't necessarily focus on games or fangames. Still, if it HAD to be there, then I'd rather see it like this Creation Center - Development Showcase - Developer Discussion - The Arts Board Community - General Chat - Gaming - Forum Games MFGG - News & Events - Suggestions Center General chat should come above Gaming. It shouldn't be below news or suggestions at all, especially as sections would be separated. I see absolutely no reason to keep news at the top and community at the bottom. General chat should be front and centre as the community hub. -- Which brings me to my next point. Stop putting competitions in the NEWS section. They should take their place back in the General Chat like they used to. Or give them their own temporary "events" forum when a competition or event is happening. That's a different topic though.

I agree that Community should be higher up than where it was in model one. I don't think it would be necessary to bring events out of the news forum since announcements don't happen all that frequently (not to mention that events are usually put in the archives after they are finished). However, I would still like them to maintain their position at the top of the site so everyone can see the announcements when they are made. If we were to go with the model that most people seem to be in favor of, this is what I would prefer: MFGG - News & Events - Suggestions Center Community - General Chat - Gaming - Forum Games Creation Center - Development Showcase - Developer Discussion - The Arts Board

Creation Center - Development Showcase - Developer Discussion - The Arts Board Community - News & Events - General Chat - Gaming - Forum Games - Suggestions Center ?