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So, there's a strange phenomenon on YouTube, particularly in the kids section. Parents have been complaining for a while now. People leave disgusted comments in the comments section regularly, and claim to be flagging videos for removal. But nothing seems to really be happening.

The stories all sound the same: Go to a kids video and turn on autoplay. Eventually, you'll start seeing videos of a certain kind. They usually involve Spider Man and Elsa, though they can have basically any children's characters (others include Mickey Mouse, Peppa the Pig, and Thomas the Tank Engine).

But they aren't your ordinary videos. They have an extremely disturbing tone and often include very inappropriate themes. Murder, sex, probable metaphors for sex (being given shots, sometime in the buttocks, and then being pregnant), playing with fecal matter, urinating on people, etc.

It's not just one channel. There are a lot of channels, often uploading very similar kinds of videos.

Other, different kinds of videos that come up involve real children doing inappropriate things. I've heard reports of "borderline child pornography" on the subreddit I linked above, but I hesitated to click and the comments didn't say what happened in the video. One thumbnail I did see involved a little girl playing doctor and giving an enema to what seems to have been a grown man.

There's even more information, but you can find it on the subreddit or through googling.

The subreddit's narrative is that that the videos are being run by some sort of pedophile ring that seeks to, perhaps, raise a generation of children who are desensitized to violence, sex, and other abuse. I'm not sure what the purpose of these videos are; it could just be satire of some kind, it could just be somebody who thinks that kids can be exposed to things like this and it not affect them negatively, or any number of things. BBC reported on it but didn't mention anything about pedophilia.

Also it's probably worth considering that any number of the videos may or may not be related to any other videos. They might all have their own reasons for existing. For now, it remains a mystery.

Author:	HylianDev [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:	[ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
WARNING: This is graphic and heavy, and touches on child abuse of more than one kind. The first post in this topic is spoiler'd. No further posts have to be enclosed in spoilers; this first post serves as a buffer to anybody who doesn't want to be unwittingly exposed to this. Also, please don't link to any videos that you believe to contain illegal content. This topic is to spread awareness about the subject. Spoiler: /r/ElsaGate So, there's a strange phenomenon on YouTube, particularly in the kids section. Parents have been complaining for a while now. People leave disgusted comments in the comments section regularly, and claim to be flagging videos for removal. But nothing seems to really be happening. The stories all sound the same: Go to a kids video and turn on autoplay. Eventually, you'll start seeing videos of a certain kind. They usually involve Spider Man and Elsa, though they can have basically any children's characters (others include Mickey Mouse, Peppa the Pig, and Thomas the Tank Engine). But they aren't your ordinary videos. They have an extremely disturbing tone and often include very inappropriate themes. Murder, sex, probable metaphors for sex (being given shots, sometime in the buttocks, and then being pregnant), playing with fecal matter, urinating on people, etc. It's not just one channel. There are a lot of channels, often uploading very similar kinds of videos. Other, different kinds of videos that come up involve real children doing inappropriate things. I've heard reports of "borderline child pornography" on the subreddit I linked above, but I hesitated to click and the comments didn't say what happened in the video. One thumbnail I did see involved a little girl playing doctor and giving an enema to what seems to have been a grown man. There's even more information, but you can find it on the subreddit or through googling. The subreddit's narrative is that that the videos are being run by some sort of pedophile ring that seeks to, perhaps, raise a generation of children who are desensitized to violence, sex, and other abuse. I'm not sure what the purpose of these videos are; it could just be satire of some kind, it could just be somebody who thinks that kids can be exposed to things like this and it not affect them negatively, or any number of things. BBC reported on it but didn't mention anything about pedophilia. Also it's probably worth considering that any number of the videos may or may not be related to any other videos. They might all have their own reasons for existing. For now, it remains a mystery. What do you think about this? In my opinion, children should be kept from these videos. I wholeheartedly believe that seeing this kind of disturbing content can stick with a child and normalize this behavior to them, or disturb them. Kids get nightmares from things that are on kids' channels despite strong standards. Imagine what seeing their favorite characters act like psychopaths might do. These videos are worse than anything Robot Chicken ever did to childhoods.

Author:	KirbyLover2048 [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:54 pm ]
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God, where do I even begin... I honestly have no idea why YouTube is such a messed up place. Keeping these kinds of videos around where [i]anyone[/i] can see them is very unneeded. Someone really needs to talk to YouTube administrators and tell them about this, because this has to be fixed so children can stop growing up like that. I'd also like to say that people who do that kind of thing should be harshly punished. Showing children to something bad is one thing, but when it's stuck to such a heavy topic like that, you can't go out with just a slap on the wrist. You have to punish people doing such horrible things in a (maybe less) horrible way. Maybe they're just trying to do it for the laughs, maybe they're trying to do it because they like doing messed-up things. All I know is that they must be stopped. I hope things like this can soon cease to continue, as it troubles me so that people can do such bad things to such young minds.

Author:	Evil Yoshi Toes [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:49 pm ]
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I've seen the videos talked about in the BBC report. They were recommended on my mom's iPad that my little sister had been watching youtube on unsupervised. Of course after discovering these videos she was supervised on the iPad. She's now old enough to both know not to watch those things, and to be out of the target range of those gross youtube channels, but during her phase where she watched a lot of "Egg surprise" videos she may very well have clicked on one of those disturbing videos (she claimed she hadn't so I hope that's true, but I know if I was a toddler and thought I'd get into trouble for watching a video I'd also deny watching it). There does seem to be some weird trope about Disney princesses getting shots in the butt for some reason. The videos seem "technically" child appropriate but are disturbing all the same as a group of undoubtedly socially awkward adults dress as cartoon characters and act out bizarre scenes (search "Elsa vs Syringe," or "Rapunzel vs Syringe," or anything along those lines to find one). I have definitely seen the one described above, where Rapunzel is given a shot in the butt and becomes pregnant. The channel "SuperHero Real Life" is certainly guilty of these videos, and there are a bunch more that are so similar they seem to be made by the same people, only submitted under different generically titled channels. As for the even more disturbing videos you mentioned, I've thankfully yet to see any of those - though I've seen some questionable thumbnails - but if I do I'd absolutely report them. I have seen a lot of awkward videos of very young Indian girls twerking and dancing very seductively for some reason, but I'm not sure if that warrants a report. Though here are always one or two adult men in the comments saying extremely vulgar things about them, and those comments I do report.

Author:	Kritter [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:04 pm ]
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The moral of the story is: Stop using tablets, phones and PC's as babysitters. It's fine to let your kids watch stuff in my opinion, but monitor what they're watching. Parents need to be aware of what their children are doing at all times.

Author:	Pedigree [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:49 pm ]
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YouTube needs to get its stuff together and crack down on people uploading actually explicit videos with keywords that attract children to them, especially if they're going to have a Kids section. Parents also should be monitoring what their kids are watching though. Giving them full access to YouTube is just plain bad parenting. Sites like YouTube aren't meant to babysit your children.

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Author:	Friendly Dictator [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:30 pm ]
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is this like that finger family stuff

Author:	Willsaber [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
I personally find it hilarious.

Author:	YoshiEgos [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:40 pm ]
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I hope something is done about the situation and I agree, Youtube is not a babysitter for a developing toddler audience.

Author:	Dustinvgmaster [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:43 pm ]
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These videos made for children have always given me a vague creepypasta vibe, so... not terribly surprised.

Author:	Briraka [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
i herd about this quite a while ago, and i have to agree with those who say that parents shouldn't use technology as a temporary/replacement babysitter. i'm also skeptical about how youtube would handle a situations like this. my money would be on them trying to have videos taken down via automated systems, thus any video featuring a well known children's character that has any vulgarity in it, whether it be satire and/or not intended to be viewed by children, would be targeted as a result.

Author:	Minerador Slime [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
There wasn't even supposed to be kids on Youtube, they just lie their age. https://support.google.com/accounts/ans ... 0409?hl=EN

Author:	Evil Yoshi Toes [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
Minerador Slime wrote: There wasn't even supposed to be kids on Youtube, they just lie their age. https://support.google.com/accounts/ans ... 0409?hl=EN Kids aren't supposed to have accounts, but they're still allowed to go on YouTube (if their parents let them)

Author:	KirbyLover2048 [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
If you think about it, kids probably shouldn't go on the internet at all until they're at a certain age. 13 is the magic number for everyone, as it's when kids turn into teenagers. Maybe, like, they can use some online services, but things like YouTube should be restricted until then. That's just my opinion, though.

Author:	Cap'n Coconuts [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:20 am ]
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Willsaber wrote: I personally find it hilarious. Excuse me, but what is it exactly about targeting children with disturbing and explicit videos that you seem to find hilarious? Especially since there are reports of some videos going so far as to feature borderline CP.

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Author:	Willsaber [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:12 am ]
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Cap'n Coconuts wrote: Willsaber wrote: I personally find it hilarious. Excuse me, but what is it exactly about targeting children with disturbing and explicit videos that you seem to find hilarious? How do you not find this hilarious? Tons of crackpots on Reddit are coming together to collectively design some of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've heard in my life (best stuff since PizzaGate), loads of people everywhere are over reacting to silly and weird Spiderman videos, and the nature of those videos are funny in and of themselves. Cap'n Coconuts wrote: Especially since there are reports of some videos going so far as to feature borderline CP. That's a non-argument. Soft core child porn is not inherently objectively bad afaik.

Author:	Evil Yoshi Toes [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:26 am ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
Willsaber wrote: That's a non-argument. Soft core child porn is not inherently objectively bad afaik. I suppose you mean that there is a loose definition as to what "soft core" porn is, but you might want to clarify that because this statement can be easily misconstrued I agree thought that the videos (the ones of the awkward adults dressing as cartoon characters, not the child porn) themselves are really funny and some of the reactions are a little over the top, but I still don't like the idea of kids watching them because even I find some of them too disturbing and awkwardly sexual

Author:	HylianDev [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
Willsaber wrote: How do you not find this hilarious? Tons of crackpots on Reddit are coming together to collectively design some of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've heard in my life (best stuff since PizzaGate), loads of people everywhere are over reacting to silly and weird Spiderman videos, and the nature of those videos are funny in and of themselves. Then maybe it would be useful to actually say that instead of saying it's hilarious. Yesterday it was reported on by several major news outlets, including these three: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... hool-abuse http://www.businessinsider.com/viewers- ... ds-2017-11 https://www.avclub.com/take-a-trip-to-t ... 1820196139 http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... oblem.html Willsaber wrote: Cap'n Coconuts wrote: Especially since there are reports of some videos going so far as to feature borderline CP. That's a non-argument. Soft core child porn is not inherently objectively bad afaik. Seriously?

Author:	Cap'n Coconuts [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
Willsaber wrote: Cap'n Coconuts wrote: Willsaber wrote: I personally find it hilarious. Excuse me, but what is it exactly about targeting children with disturbing and explicit videos that you seem to find hilarious? How do you not find this hilarious? Clearly, the joke has entirely whooshed over my head and everyone else's, and we have no sense of humor. Quote: Tons of crackpots on Reddit are coming together to collectively design some of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've heard in my life (best stuff since PizzaGate), While it is true that much (though not all) of /r/ElsaGate's community came from /r/conspiracy, and as such the subreddit is prone to wild conspiracy theories, is that a valid reason to dismiss the entire controversy as a joke? Quote: loads of people everywhere are over reacting to silly and weird Spiderman videos, and the nature of those videos are funny in and of themselves. Hmm. HylianDev wrote: They have an extremely disturbing tone and often include very inappropriate themes. Murder, sex, probable metaphors for sex (being given shots, sometime in the buttocks, and then being pregnant), playing with fecal matter, urinating on people, etc. So you would say that exposing children to all of these things is just being silly? Would you say they are appropriate for children, considering they are seemingly the target demographic? Quote: That's a non-argument. Soft core child porn is not inherently objectively bad afaik. I spent a bit of time browsing /r/ElsaGate for a thread about one such video. I'm going to describe it below. Spoiler: The title is mostly in Russian. Google Translate returns "Anyuta is crying, sick, fever! We do real injections in the ass!". In this video, a girl... receives injections in the ass, crying, and is fondled around the chest at about 2:23. I only skimmed through this garbage to verify what they were saying about it because you think redditors are losing their minds over nothing. Are injections a usual treatment for a fever? Absolutely not. People take NSAID pills for that. So either the video is trying to normalize drug injections... or it's innuendo for something else while having just enough plausible deniability to avoid getting banned from YouTube. And, you know, the kid is crying. Do you think she really wants to be there? Do you personally find this hilarious, Willsaber?

Author:	Zelma2chainz [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
Looks like my little sister is watching nothing but the first season of digimon and simpsons now that youtube isnt even safe. Last thing I need is for her to become a ****ing furry.

Author:	KirbyLover2048 [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [ GRAPHIC ] #ElsaGate
I very much hope you have nothing against furries. I, myself, am one, and I can get "triggered" easily, as some people would say.