[quote="BlasterMaster"][quote="FunWithDespair"]Let's say I really like a certain type of clothing, but now communism happens and the company that makes it isn't a thing anymore. I just can't own it, even though I still can own personal property. My options and choice are diminished in everything from clothing to technology and I really really hate that.[/quote] i'd argue that capitalism gives you less choice in what you can buy because large corporations snuff out competition and small businesses with unique products can't make enough to pay rent in that system in a communist system there's room for different people offering x goods in different ways as long as there's demonstrable benefit to production of those goods[/quote] benefit is too subjective no one else in my area I have seen wears similar clothes to me so I would be entirely unable to get any kind of clothes I want. In a communist society, where would I be able to get this kind of stuff assuming I cannot sew myself? I certainly don't want to buy some low quality product from some local idiot taking commissions with a sewing machine either.

Order it using the internet? lol like people have no imagination.

This thread makes me want to play Hong Kong 97 and wipe out 1.2 billion red communists. In other words, I think capitalism is pretty good thing. Keep in mind that you're a living, breathing human with free will. If you want to by yourself, you may help out with poverty. What's wrong is that the government forces you to do so.

Could you reexplain? I lost your meaning in your last two sentences. Also, free will does not mean you have the freedom to do what you want when you are coerced into jobs where you lose some of the value your labour made, nor do you control how or to who you are born.

[quote="DreiDreiDesert"]Order it using the internet? lol like people have no imagination.[/quote] who is going to ship it? there aren't anymore companies that deliver things on a timely fashion who is going to provide internet? the government? who is going to make computer parts? I guess I can't play games anymore because computer parts will all be fucking garbage, no one will be making video games besides indies, and the internet will be the bare minimum speed that the government deems worth it

idk why you make all these assumptions. you should read the communist manifesto and the principles of communism, because i have yet to make my big response post yet

Capitalism sucks p hard, at the end of the day it inherently is a system where the rich decide who gets money for being useful for them while simultaneously being incentivised to invest in ways to decrease the amount of people they give money for doing things for them by replacing them with automation. I dont think a sudden instalation of communism would work because that's WAY too many systems to replace at once to be even remotely manageable w/o crumbling under its own weight, but at the same time gradual introductions of socialistic systems building towards communism would inevitably be torn down by capitalists so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

moneyman gets it; btw why you stop going to -w bro?

[quote="DreiDreiDesert"]moneyman gets it; btw why you stop going to -w bro?[/quote] Things were slow for a while and i lost interest, i might come back tho Speaking of capitalism time for me to work my 9pm-6am late night bar rush shift at a fast food resturant paying me slightly more than minimum wage!

[quote="Mr. Saltman"]This thread makes me want to play Hong Kong 97 and wipe out 1.2 billion red communists. In other words, I think capitalism is pretty good thing. Keep in mind that you're a living, breathing human with free will. If you want to by yourself, you may help out with poverty. What's wrong is that the government forces you to do so.[/quote] but the government forces you to pay for their living and their projects why would you prefer to fund trump or your governor or whatever rather than taking that same amount of money and putting it towards children eating

Because I find it fair to win the money I deserve for working hard, maybe? If I come up with an extremely innovative invention that I've been years working on and sell it, then I'll obviously want to get the $$ I deserve for all the hard work. I don't want other lazy people taking away mine (not saying that you are lazy, BTW).

[quote="Mr. Saltman"]Because I find it fair to win the money I deserve for working hard, maybe? If I come up with an extremely innovative invention that I've been years working on and sell it, then I'll obviously want to get the $$ I deserve for all the hard work. I don't want other lazy people taking away mine (not saying that you are lazy, BTW).[/quote] i'm not sure you understand what i was talking about so i'll ask again why is it okay that the government takes your hard-earned money in the form of taxes, but not okay if starving families take that same money to feed their children

Because a starving guy may be responsible to get his own work. If he did not study hard enough to get a good job and is now starving to death, then well... Idk. It sounds cruel, but it's just how the system works. You know, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything about poverty, but taking away my money does not seem like a proper solution to me. Capitalism is like that: It's made for hard working people who gotta win their money fairly. Those who are lazy do the poverty way. I'm not very hard working either, but if the system decides to give me the reward I deserve, then so be it. Between all the people who form part of a communist country, there's always some lazy a**hole who wins as much as someone who works ten times harder than him.

capitalism falls apart when you realize that many capable, qualified, dedicated people are unemployed because the jobs they want are all taken by some loser because they're friends with the manager, or family I would support it if nepotism wasn't a thing, but even the most qualified person in the world will end up losing out on jobs because either they're not friends with the manager, socially anxious in interviews, or misclicked a fucking answer in the online application survey I support socialism entirely, not communism for reasons, and not capitalism because it is a corrupt monster of a system

[quote="FunWithDespair"]either they're not friends with the manager, socially anxious in interviews, or misclicked a ****ing answer in the online application survey[/quote] The fault is yours if you're socially anxious in an interview for not answering properly what's asked. The fault is the manager's for being a total jerk if you're not a friend of his. The fault is yours if you misclicked an answer in the survey for being distracted. None of these things are fault of the system.

[quote="Mr. Saltman"]Because a starving guy may be responsible to get his own work. If he did not study hard enough to get a good job and is now starving to death, then well... Idk. It sounds cruel, but it's just how the system works. You know, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything about poverty, but taking away my money does not seem like a proper solution to me. Capitalism is like that: It's made for hard working people who gotta win their money fairly. Those who are lazy do the poverty way. I'm not very hard working either, but if the system decides to give me the reward I deserve, then so be it. Between all the people who form part of a communist country, there's always some lazy a**hole who wins as much as someone who works ten times harder than him.[/quote] there's lots of ways to win your money unfairly in capitalism the current president of the US got where he is because his dad gave him a million dollars (in like 1970, so 6 million with inflation) nepotism, exploitable systems, gullible people and that's to say nothing of crime which is promoted heavily in capitalist societies due to wealth and inequality

[quote="Mr. Saltman"][quote="FunWithDespair"]either they're not friends with the manager, socially anxious in interviews, or misclicked a ****ing answer in the online application survey[/quote] The fault is yours if you're socially anxious in an interview for not answering properly what's asked. The fault is the manager's for being a total jerk if you're not a friend of his. The fault is yours if you misclicked an answer in the survey for being distracted. None of these things are fault of the system.[/quote] Anxiety is not someone's fault.

[quote="BlasterMaster"]there's lots of ways to win your money unfairly in capitalism the current president of the US got where he is because his dad gave him a million dollars (in like 1970, so 6 million with inflation) nepotism, exploitable systems, gullible people and that's to say nothing of crime which is promoted heavily in capitalist societies due to wealth and inequality[/quote] If Mr. Trumpet got 5000 billion bucks from his dad, then whatever! Some people are just luckier than you and taking their money away is an unfair thing. And if someone is corrupt, then whatever! It's his fault for being evil and greedy, not the system's.

[quote="Mr. Saltman"][quote="BlasterMaster"]there's lots of ways to win your money unfairly in capitalism the current president of the US got where he is because his dad gave him a million dollars (in like 1970, so 6 million with inflation) nepotism, exploitable systems, gullible people and that's to say nothing of crime which is promoted heavily in capitalist societies due to wealth and inequality[/quote] If Mr. Trumpet got 5000 billion bucks from his dad, then whatever! Some people are just luckier than you and taking their money away is an unfair thing. And if someone is corrupt, then whatever! It's his fault for being evil and greedy, not the system's.[/quote] Someone should not be screwed out of opportunities in life because they have "bad luck"

[quote="FunWithDespair"]Someone should not be screwed out of opportunities in life because they have "bad luck"[/quote] Neither should someone else be for having to give its money out to someone who doesn't deserve it.