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This is definitely an unfortunate occurrence, and MFGG has lost a long-time member and contributor... but I can't say with much honesty that Nite Shadow was a good staffer. Perhaps he was a good Wiki SysOp, I wasn't really around for that, but all I saw with his actions as a moderator (and I suppose an admin, but here on MFGG the mods are more like admins and beyond that it's just secret discussion that nobody can really attribute any specific things to) were of someone who felt more at interest to stifle discussion and conversation by locking threads prematurely - not only is this often to the detriment of actual discussion but moreover it just frustrated several members who felt they were being censored for petty reasons. I feel like the last straw in giving Nite any benefit of the doubt was the signature incident. You can call me petty, you can say that technically it was NSFW (even though it's a classical piece of art that has been painted on the interiors of churches, hardly "unwholesome material"), but the fact of the matter is that giving me a warning (ironically, without warning) over it and not really giving me a chance to remove the image myself by asking politely left a sour taste in my mouth. I also lost my Ultra Happy Heart over that, so that was fun. Again, a dumb .png file displayed under my avatar, what a loss right? It's the thought that counts.
Point being that I don't think that Nite Shadow was fit to be a moderator of MFGG, let alone an admin. I feel like a lot of you demonizing Kirby's Adventure at any point during all of this fail to realize he was speaking for more than just himself, and quite a few of us had our grievances in private regarding various staff decisions and other questionable incidents here on the M-F of G-G. I didn't personally dislike Nite, but he did become grating with his overzealous use of the moderator tools to try and slam down any almost-sorta controversy before it even really happens. You lock a thread when it gets out of control, not before it even gets a chance to. Of course, some would even disagree with that, but I think we all agree that at the very least that would be going too far either way. Maybe you don't still, but that's cool. We're all apparently split on the issue anyways, so I'm not gonna pretend anyone's found a place of agreement here.
Now, prior to his departure, Nite seemed perfectly willing to work on his issues and resolve some of the problems we had with his moderation decisions. This was fine by the majority of us (in fact I think nobody really had a problem anymore at this point and were entirely willing to let him work on himself and do just that), and I'm not sure if that was communicated well on here but I do remember that by that point it was pretty much done. This... is where things kind of took a sour turn. Now Nite has left MFGG and according to some people I've spoken to in private, it was mainly out of feeling unwanted here and the whole mega-post at the climax of yesterday's events "calling" him out were the catalyst (evidently). Was it harshly worded? Of course. Was it rude to target one member of the moderation team? Probably, yes. Nonetheless, we weren't speaking to demonize Nite, but in an attempt to bring back some of the community to a site that deliberately yanked it off 6 years ago.
It's nobody's fault if Nite Shadow wanted to leave, but being up in arms on whether or not he was a worthy staffer is perhaps proof that he wasn't. A good staffer doesn't create controversy, but rather calms it. You could just as easily call anyone who ever complained about him (either in public or in private) a "bad egg" or even a troublemaker or a troll or a ****face (whatever colourful language you wish to use is entirely your choice in this scenario), but I can guarantee you the vast majority of us didn't want Nite to resign outright from being on MFGG at all and rather just wanted him to reevaluate what it meant to be a moderator.
I remember talking to Nite Shadow while I was still a Wiki SysOp and the topic of me being one came up. He said something to the effect of being mildly jealous at my rank, to which I retorted that it was "little more than a dumb janitor position, really". He countered that at least it was something. I think maybe Nite just wanted to feel like an important part of a community he's been involved with for the better part of... geez, going on a decade and a half now. I don't think he should have left, but I do think he should have taken the time to reassess what the forum goers wanted of him and to work on that. Just my two cents. Or at this point, it's probably more like... four dollars and sixteen cents. Still cents, though!
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This is definitely an unfortunate occurrence, and MFGG has lost a long-time member and contributor... but I can't say with much honesty that Nite Shadow was a good staffer. Perhaps he was a good Wiki SysOp, I wasn't really around for that, but all I saw with his actions as a moderator (and I suppose an admin, but here on MFGG the mods are more like admins and beyond that it's just secret discussion that nobody can really attribute any specific things to) were of someone who felt more at interest to stifle discussion and conversation by locking threads prematurely - not only is this often to the detriment of actual [i]discussion[/i] but moreover it just frustrated several members who felt they were being censored for petty reasons. I feel like the last straw in giving Nite any benefit of the doubt was the signature incident. You can call me petty, you can say that technically it was NSFW (even though it's a classical piece of art that has been painted on the interiors of churches, hardly "unwholesome material"), but the fact of the matter is that giving me a warning (ironically, without warning) over it and not really giving me a chance to remove the image myself by asking politely left a sour taste in my mouth. I also lost my Ultra Happy Heart over that, so that was fun. Again, a dumb .png file displayed under my avatar, what a loss right? It's the thought that counts.
Point being that I don't think that Nite Shadow was fit to be a moderator of MFGG, let alone an admin. I feel like a lot of you demonizing Kirby's Adventure at any point during all of this fail to realize he was speaking for more than just himself, and quite a few of us had our grievances in private regarding various staff decisions and other questionable incidents here on the M-F of G-G. I didn't personally dislike Nite, but he did become grating with his overzealous use of the moderator tools to try and slam down any almost-sorta controversy before it even really happens. You lock a thread when it gets out of control, not before it even gets a chance to. Of course, some would even disagree with [i]that[/i], but I think we all agree that at the very least that would be going too far either way. Maybe you don't still, but that's cool. We're all apparently split on the issue anyways, so I'm not gonna pretend anyone's found a place of agreement here.
Now, prior to his departure, Nite seemed perfectly willing to work on his issues and resolve some of the problems we had with his moderation decisions. This was fine by the majority of us (in fact I think nobody really had a problem anymore at this point and were entirely willing to let him work on himself and do just that), and I'm not sure if that was communicated well on here but I do remember that by that point it was pretty much done. [i]This...[/i] is where things kind of took a sour turn. Now Nite has left MFGG and according to some people I've spoken to in private, it was mainly out of feeling unwanted here and the whole mega-post at the climax of yesterday's events "calling" him out were the catalyst (evidently). Was it harshly worded? Of course. Was it rude to target one member of the moderation team? Probably, yes. Nonetheless, we weren't speaking to demonize Nite, but in an attempt to bring back some of the community to a site that deliberately yanked it off 6 years ago.
It's nobody's fault if Nite Shadow wanted to leave, but being up in arms on whether or not he was a worthy staffer is perhaps proof that he wasn't. A good staffer doesn't create controversy, but rather calms it. You could just as easily call anyone who ever complained about him (either in public or in private) a "bad egg" or even a troublemaker or a troll or a ****face (whatever colourful language you wish to use is entirely your choice in this scenario), but I can guarantee you the vast majority of us didn't want Nite to resign outright from being on MFGG at all and rather just wanted him to reevaluate what it meant to be a moderator.
I remember talking to Nite Shadow while I was still a Wiki SysOp and the topic of me being one came up. He said something to the effect of being mildly jealous at my rank, to which I retorted that it was "little more than a dumb janitor position, really". He countered that at least it was [b]something.[/b] I think maybe Nite just wanted to feel like an important part of a community he's been involved with for the better part of... geez, going on a decade and a half now. I don't think he should have left, but I do think he should have taken the time to reassess what the forum goers wanted of him and to work on that. Just my two cents. Or at this point, it's probably more like... four dollars and sixteen cents. Still cents, though!
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