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Author:  Q-Nova [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
Yeah, I think the second alternate Dixie looks better too.
Author:  Jaharl [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
I think the one next to the last one is the best one. I am getting less of a diddy vibe.
Author:  E-Man [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
By the way, Neweegee, I actually got some critiques for your sprites that Kirby's Adventure shared with me (using Engarde as an example). As much as I'd like to make a copy of his post, I'll just put it in my own words instead.

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Do you see the tail fin? While an actual swordfish has it move in and out (or towards and away from the screen at this angle), yours acts like it's swiveling about on a central pivot of sorts. There's also the matter that it it moves back and away before returning to its neutral position. It seems pretty jumpy as a result and not even your subtle body changes do a good job of making it look more natural.

Spoiler:


Now, as appealing as the overall shading is, you need plenty of practice to portray it correctly. Some of the parts fail to convey the proper form, while other parts look needlessly flat. Going by some advice TheShyGuy gave me in the past, a good recommendation is to visualize your light-source and imagine that your sprites are wireframe objects. The squares (or triangles in some cases) that are directly facing the light-source (you can even draw lines emanating from the light to better help you see which panels receive "light") are naturally the ones that are the brightest. Then, just average the shading out.

By the way, do you remember this?

Neweegee wrote:
It's hard to explain, but one of the main techniques I do is a 'draw parts on top of the character' thing,
I draw a color of what's supposed to be the moving parts of the character, then give it detail. This shows how it's done:
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After the parts, I animate anything else on the character a little. (I don't have layering tools BTW).


Without any changes, this technique is currently a poor choice when it comes to respecting anatomy. Since the parts are drawn one at a time, it doesn't provide any connections between each one nor how they properly move.

Did any of that make sense to you, man?
Author:  Neweegee [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
As you can probably guess by now, I don't really know what I'm doing when I make sprites, so I kinda just put things together until they look okay enough. It might be because I've never actually looked up any real tutorials for spriting. But I'm not saying this is really acceptable... Or... am I? Wait no? Gah!
That's why a lot of stuff comes out weird. I'm always up for trying to fix any problems, though.

Buuuuuut I don't feel like going back to fix old sheets, especially since it'd be better to redraw it entirely. I'll go ahead and finish Dixie as-is to get that out of the way so I can try to figure this out from the ground up, because the sprite's design itself is broken beyond repair, but I """think""" it can still be useful. I'll scrap the sheet if you want me to, though.

Also, I almost forgot something:
CM30 wrote:
Are you making an actual game with them at some point?

Not really, but the possibility is actually pretty strong.

I just broke my own rule of putting a sprite in every post I make in this topic ;_;
Author:  Neweegee [ Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
With some help from the other MFGGers, I've made some of Ninten's sprites for an Earthbound Beginnings Fangame I'm working on.
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I closely examined various animations to try to get this right.
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Note: Right now, I don't know "how" Ninten should jump, so he is using a jump pose like Mega Man's for now

Here's how they look in the very much WIP game so far:
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Author:  Mit [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:21 am ]
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i think you should work on shading and construction before really getting deep into things.

the way you shade things is very SMA4-esque, and trust me, that game's style is awful. right now, ninten looks really plastic-y. looking closer, i can see what you were trying to do with the highlights, but they don't translate well at 1x.

overall you should try to focus on making each important feature of the head, body, etc clearcut and readable. give him some cheeks, a slightly bigger ear to help the silhouette, the works. a nose isn't too important at this scale, so you can, with some tweaks, do something like this-

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Author:  Neweegee [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:20 pm ]
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Okay, I've tried following what you've said closely.
Though I decided keep Ninten's face round to retain the EarthBound look.
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I think I'm getting it figured out :whoops:
But I'm always up for more changes if needed.
Author:  mysteriousclown [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
i think the nose looked really good, but its your call whether you want to keep it or not.
Author:  SuperArthurBros [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
I think he looks like a toy now, lol. He looks more cute.
But I liked having most of his head shadowed and having a nose, and his smile looks a little awkward. Try making it less wide, one pixel less wide like the previous. (Guess that's why he looks like a toy)
Author:  Mit [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:00 pm ]
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the issue with the face is that it's not necessarily "round" as you had it originally, in earthbound's style faces do have a bit of dimension to them-
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your current edit is better than the original in that regard, since the original looks like it shrinks near the bottom, making it look like he doesn't have a chin.
Author:  E-Man [ Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:14 am ]
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Now you're starting to get a good mix between Mit's mechanics and your charming style! If you can keep experimenting, then that'll be great!

By the way, I'd consider fitting a nose on that sheet because he looks weird without it.
Author:  SuperArthurBros [ Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:48 am ]
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EDIT: Ignore this post
Author:  Neweegee [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
Okay, here's an update where the animations have been updated to match Ninten's new sprite

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Image Image < - Jump
I still don't know what kind of jump Ninten should do yet, but right now, Ninten does a forward flip into a fall animation.

Here's a look at the sprites in-game to get a better understanding of how the they're are used.
Spoiler:


This is a WIP of a Mech made for Ninten to use at later points in the game.
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Pretty sure you already guessed, but the design is based one from Kirby Planet Robobot
Author:  zXspriter [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:28 pm ]
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Neweegee wrote:
Okay, here's an update where the animations have been updated to match Ninten's new sprite

Image

Image Image < - Jump
I still don't know what kind of jump Ninten should do yet, but right now, Ninten does a forward flip into a fall animation.

Here's a look at the sprites in-game to get a better understanding of how the they're are used.
Spoiler:


This is a WIP of a Mech made for Ninten to use at later points in the game.
Image
Pretty sure you already guessed, but the design is based one from Kirby Planet Robobot

This is going great so far. The jumping animation seems a bit too Sonic"y" though.
Author:  Kirby's Adventure [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
it looks more like samus' space jump to me
Author:  E-Man [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
Have you tried making the jump a little more like Ness' jump?
Author:  Jaharl [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neweegee makes random sprites: Extended Edition
While it looks pretty good so far, I suggest that you change the angle of the walk it looks very weird. Try it maybe from a left/right side angle instead of a weird SMWish 3/4 angle. Also the jump has too much of a roll for a kid without an invincibility star or robot armor on, so just stick with a simple calm luigiish styled jump.
Author:  Technoflops [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:50 pm ]
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it looks kinda creepy because he doesn't blink at all
Author:  Evil Yoshi Toes [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:42 pm ]
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Maybe for the jump just have him spin once so it looks more like a front flip and less like Samus' spin attack :D
Author:  SuperArthurBros [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:06 pm ]
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This spin jump looks like some kind of special move more than a regular jump.
Mybe you could have an alternative jump animation that looks like his hurt pose or the one above on the left.
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